over the years i have made many friends online that are jw's.
when my doubts were such with the organization that i was full on posting here, little by little i withdrew from my jw friends online and in person.
no explanation, i have not responded to emails over time, and just let those friendships die down.. out of respect.......i felt sneaky in my researching the organization and just was not sure where my thoughts and feelings were going to land.. today, i unblocked someone on my messenger to chat with them.
Friends are important.
Let them know you care purps.
Never be afraid to show kindness and love.
If you force them to come face to face with the evil direction of the society, it may spark an awakening.
You seem like a wonderful person.
I hope you feel better soon!!
The Oracle
PS: The WT is hurting more than we realize. People (JWs) are waking up all over the place! This is going to be the best year ever for people leaving the "society's" grip. Thank God. Thank everything that is decent.
if you read this as a jehovah's witness and fail to reply, either you know in your hearts that your organization doesn't speak the truth or you are in denial.
if its to divide then you are not a christian, if its out of curiousity then i hope you find the answers you are looking for.. the watchtower society have tried to 'fix' what doesn't need fixing.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching - if its beneficial for teaching on its own merit, why does it need the watchtower/awake and other literature?
KW13,
I surrender. I am convinced that we don't have the truth.
The "truth" is indefensible.
In fact it is embarassingly foolish from A to Z. It's sad but true.
What the hell - time to start living life and looking on the bright side!!
We may as well take down the evil WTS and free some innocent minds while we're at it. Suddenly life is good.
Peace out!
The Oracle
sitting in the hall i was shocked when i read this article.
kingdom ministry 2005 nov {after the tsunami and new orleans desaster witnesses sent millions to help brothers in these areas marking their envelopes "for the tsunami victims" etc.
the society realized since there are few witnesses in tsunami ravaged countries this money would be wasted helping muslims.
That one makes me literally sick.
How can such a twisted organization be permitted to pull the wool over so many innocent peoples eyes?
The Oracle
so it's friday night, let's have a little fun here !
in an imaginary election who of all of us posting here on jwd would you pick to be president and vice-president ?
we have such a great selection of odd ducks and funny people here it should be funny!
NVRGNK for President
Eclipse for Vice President
pssss... I hear the WTS has weapons of mass destruction....
if we are made in gods image, then we must have at least some of his reasoning ability, and we have many thoughts on why god would punish all mankind and their offspring for 1000s of years, torture and kill many, for the testing of adam and eve, god said it was good, then why do you have to test them, it was all good right?.
i have great kids, but if i put candy in front of them, and i say dont eat this, they will eat that candy, maybe not tday, but it will come up missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
and when it is mising, will i punish them , and all there kids for 6000 years, even torture my oldest son for there candy eating, seems like cruelty, god of love???????????
very interesting Big D.
You are a deep thinker and hopefully are sparking some deeper thinking on this board.
The Oracle
i was reading this post:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/146502/2651461/post.ashx#2651461.
i'm still an elder, and i have a college degree.
This is why I am still in.
While I am in I am going to fight for what is right.
I want to help free some minds (at least the nice people). The dickheads can stay in, and in fact, that is preferrable. LOL.
Promoting poste secondary education is high on my list.
As long as I am in a leadership role in the congregation I will not allow any negative talk regarding pursuing a college education - Watchtower, be damned.
The Oracle
i'm a fader myself.... mentally exhausted from thinking of all the reasons why i've given up the "truth" and then the whole "what if" bs... anyway, welcome me, i'm new.
:)
Welcome Elyse867 !!!
Personally, I am an elder in "good standing". And a full blown under cover grade A "Apostate", however I prefer the term "Freedom Fighter".
Will be launching in to fade mode within the next couple years
- just trying to save as many souls from the clutches of the WTS as I can before I begin to fade away...
Peace to you, and once again - WELCOME!!!!
The Oracle
as some of u may know i'm still currently a j-dubbie and i'm enrolled in the tms and i'm starting to prepare for my talk in dec.17.
but my question is .
how has the transfiguration vision been fulfilled?
did you find this?
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w051/15pp.16-17pars.5-8ForegleamsofGod’sKingdomBecomeaReality***Referring to the transfiguration, the apostle Peter wrote: "Consequently we have the prophetic word made more sure; and you are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in your hearts." (2 Peter 1:19) That figurative Daystar, or "bright morning star," is the glorified Jesus Christ. (Revelation 22:16) He ‘rose’ in 1914 when God’s Kingdom was born in heaven, marking the dawn of a new era. (Revelation 11:15) In the transfiguration vision, Moses and Elijah appeared alongside Jesus, conversing with him. Whom do they foreshadow?
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Since Moses and Elijah shared in Christ’s glory, these two faithful witnesses must represent those who rule with Jesus in his Kingdom. The understanding that Jesus has corulers is in harmony with a visionary foregleam of the enthroned Messiah that the prophet Daniel was granted. Daniel saw "someone like a son of man" receiving "an indefinitely lasting rulership" from "the Ancient of Days," Jehovah God. But note what Daniel is shown shortly thereafter. He writes: "The kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One." (Daniel 7:13, 14, 27) Yes, more than five centuries before the transfiguration, God revealed that certain "holy ones" would share in Christ’s royal grandeur.
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Who are the holy ones in Daniel’s vision? It is with reference to such individuals that the apostle Paul says: "The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ, provided we suffer together that we may also be glorified together." (Romans 8:16, 17) The holy ones are none other than Jesus’ spirit-anointed disciples. In the Revelation, Jesus says: "To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." Numbering 144,000, these resurrected ‘conquerors,’ along with Jesus, will rule over the entire earth.—Revelation 3:21; 5:9, 10; 14:1, 3, 4; 1 Corinthians 15:53.8
Why, though, are anointed Christians represented by Moses and Elijah? The reason is that such Christians, while still in the flesh, do a work similar to that performed by Moses and Elijah. For example, they serve as Jehovah’s witnesses, even in the face of persecution. (Isaiah 43:10; Acts 8:1-8; Revelation 11:2-12) Like Moses and Elijah, they courageously expose false religion while exhorting sincere people to give God exclusive devotion. (Exodus 32:19, 20; Deuteronomy 4:22-24; 1 Kings 18:18-40) Has their work borne fruit? Absolutely! Besides helping to gather the full complement of anointed ones, they have helped millions of "other sheep" to show willing submission to Jesus Christ.—John 10:16; Revelation 7:4.
It would be much more exciting to stress how the WT interpretation of visions can change radically over the years, so it is good to keep an open mind and stay well tuned the WT for any changes that could be forthcoming. You can change the whole thrust of the talk towards of theme of staying flexible, and not getting too attached to any current teachings for fear that you may resist future changes introduced by the FDS.
Just a suggestion.
The Oracle
"if you are currently going to college, why don't you currently meditate in prayer on the possibility of dropping out and doing something better?".
"what decisions will you make?
will you refuse or not?
yeah this is nuts.
I continue to strongly encourage a university or college education in all my parts and talks....
so far, I have met no resistance....but time will tell.
This is one crazy cult.
The Oracle
i have not attended the regular meeting for six years.. made it look like a long fade.
have had way too many diferences with those idiots way too long.. so two weeks in a row, two men who are no longer elders, have asked about me.
all she tells them (or so she says) that i am very.
Great point Lisa...
You should meet these two former elders for coffee somewhere....
perhaps they are awakening ???
The Oracle
